[simon green]

<well said amukidi - agreed>

>> looking forward to seeing more photo's

im dribbling them up one by one over the weekend, a bit busy here with domestic stuff on and off (we got people coming for dinner tonight etc).

here's one of the audience failing to engage with the set and moaning about the technical bloopers:

[simon green]

rovastar for the record i aint dissing you for thinking 'different'.. it's fantastic that you have such a strong and well argued pov. and further more are brave enough to make that point despite the grief your arguements are getting.

hold on to that determination and focus... it'll carry you to places you cant imagine.

Rovastar, on 21 Jan 2006, 12:21, said:

For you are only as good as your last gig and there were many schoolboy errors (desktop applications, minutes of no visuals (and sound), pioneer logo, black and white only feeds on one projector, blue (background) screen images, etc, etc (I could go on))

please continue it was just getting interesting ;0

question (genuine): who is the a/v kru that you think is doing 'great' stuff?

who should we be inspired by as examples of ''bleeding edge a/v''

i mean you never get ''schoolboy errors'' and five seconds of blue screen during ''celebrity come dancing'' on bbc tv. that show is tight .... and fairly musical and visual.

would you like club creatives to be more polished in these ways?

good debate sorry i got a touch depressed and exhausted im now rcovered.

keep your ideas coming it's good to talk about such things and you are brave and honest i like that - a lot.

laters...

simon

[Rovastar]

amukidi un-plugged, on 21 Jan 2006, 13:51, said:

Wish I'd been there - jim had a ticket lined up for me but had to deliver a daughter to an exam hall next morning:(

You will be pleased to know that the ticket did not go to waste. ;)

simon green, on 21 Jan 2006, 15:39, said:

rovastar for the record i aint dissing you for thinking 'different'.. it's fantastic that you have such a strong and well argued pov. and further more are brave enough to make that point despite the grief your arguements are getting.

hold on to that determination and focus... it'll carry you to places you cant imagine.


please continue it was just getting interesting ;0
simon

I’ll always speak my mind Simon, I like to back it up with facts too. ;-)

There will be a detailed review soon. It is written on A4 paper (several pages now) but I need to tie in with some pictures.

simon green, on 21 Jan 2006, 15:39, said:

question (genuine): who is the a/v kru that you think is doing 'great' stuff?

who should we be inspired by as examples of ''bleeding edge a/v''

Genuine answer: I haven't seen and bleeding edge or great stuff yet.

question (genuine): Was the ColdCut show at Cargo the best AV set you have seen?

Was it the best AV - you could make no recommendations to them on how to improve their set?

simon green, on 21 Jan 2006, 15:39, said:

i mean you never get ''schoolboy errors'' and five seconds of blue screen during ''celebrity come dancing'' on bbc tv. that show is tight .... and fairly musical and visual.

would you like club creatives to be more polished in these ways?

good debate sorry i got a touch depressed and exhausted im now rcovered.

keep your ideas coming it's good to talk about such things and you are brave and honest i like that - a lot.

laters...

simon

I would not expect showing desktops apps and pioneer logo and selecting the wrong feed on the mixer from *any* VJ. Let alone an AV act who know the music/sequence it should be more "tight".

Simon how often on average when you are VJing would you make those errors? Do you have noticeable error every minute? I imagine/hope you will want as little as possible I can understand maybe 1 on average VJ set of 4 hours is just about hit.

I would be horrified and ashamed if I had exited to a desktop and displayed an application.

Surely this is like a drummer in a band dropping his drumsticks or a guitarist unplugging an amp live on stage. It isn’t about a “tight” performance it is more about fundamentals.

I am not even comparing it to TV stuff at this stage. But if “polished” you mean not doing those errors then yes I would like to be more polished like on TV.
How can this not be a goal?

This post has been edited by Rovastar: 21 January 2006 - 06:10 PM

[simon green]

ok all done the jobs a good 'en the 'finished' pics:

http://homepage.mac....otoAlbum32.html

enjoy, if anyone needs a cd of the full res images (average about 2 megs a piece) please get in touch.

also if anyone wants to photoshop or remix them (or even create a vj loop) please feel free :)

and as far as 'copyright' goes... these photos are 'open source'... unless you exploit them for profit or gain (in which case i'll sue your arse off).

best wishes....

simon x

[simon green]

>> I’ll always speak my mind Simon, I like to back it up with facts too. ;-)

facts are in the eye of the beholder as well as visuals.

>> There will be a detailed review soon. It is written on A4 paper (several pages >> now) but I need to tie in with some pictures.

ok looking forward to it nice one.

(if you want to use these pics please help yourself: http://homepage.mac....toAlbum32.html)

>> question (genuine): Was the ColdCut show at Cargo the best AV set you have >> seen?

erm for starters i have a bit of a 'problem' with the word 'best' .. it's all about use and context. but yes.. in this context .. the coldcut show was a great one especially for an album launch (was the most exciting album launch a/v i've ever seen)

>> Was it the best AV - you could make no recommendations to them on how to >> improve their set?

see above i dont understand the word ''best'' tbh.

and as far as recommendations go.. yes i could offer some critique.. but so could everyone else in the room. also coldcut dont need no critique from me, they know ''exactally what went wrong''... in addition it couldnt be helped no one wanted a blue screen to appear.. no one wanted the laptop to hang... these things happen during event productions.

>I would not expect showing desktops apps and pioneer logo and selecting the >wrong feed on the mixer from *any* VJ. Let alone an AV act who know the >music/sequence it should be more "tight".

well if you look at the technical set up - it's mind blowingly complicated for an a/v slot. four people were opperating it.... these things happen. im sure it'll get ''tighter'' as the tour progresses. but anyhow, it's no big deal we should cut them some slack imho. they tried something very very difficult. we should cut them some slack.

>Simon how often on average when you are VJing would you make those errors?

as i said these things hapen during live performance especially if the set is 'complicated'. it's happened to me it's happened to every other vj ive ever worked with.. sometimes in some high pressure situations. all you can do as a performer is to keep going (the show must go on). all you can do is battle through and keep going and try to smile while you are sweating your bollox off.

>>Do you have noticeable error every minute? I imagine/hope you will want as >>little as possible I can understand maybe 1 on average VJ set of 4 hours is >>just about hit.

of course.. everyone would like to be tight on the day. and so would coldcut. but as i said these things happen it's no big deal tbh. they were performing amongst friends.. who understand the pressures of pulling off a show as 'complicated' as that.

>> I would be horrified and ashamed if I had exited to a desktop and displayed an >> application.

im sure coldcut were 'horrified' and 'ashamed' (maybe steve has been sacked following the fuss! i really hope he aint taking no management shite for it but who knows... ahem).

>> Surely this is like a drummer in a band dropping his drumsticks or a guitarist >> unplugging an amp live on stage. It isn’t about a “tight” performance it is more >> about fundamentals.

well yeah and drummers drop sticks... vocalists forget words.. ive seen dj's take off the playing record during a set.. hell.. ive done that myself (the worst thing you can do as a dj? take off the record that's playing?) ... the human element in a stage performance (unless it's opperated by droids).. cant be 'ignored' these things ''do'' happen.

>I am not even comparing it to TV stuff at this stage. But if “polished” you mean >not doing those errors then yes I would like to be more polished like on TV.

ok fairy nuff. you are 'demanding'... me i dont give a fig they tried as hard as they could to deliver a tight show.. i thought it was 'tight' considering the circs.

>How can this not be a goal?

thats deffo an area where we differ.

i believe it's all about content.

content content content content content content.

it's not about 'technology'.... it's not about 'spit and polish'.

i dont want my a/v club experiences to become like celebrity come dancing otherwise i wouldnt bother going out i would stay in and watch celebrity come dancing.

for me it's content first - technology second - spit and polish last (and least)

i had a fantastic time.. i loved it.. i dont care about the dvd logo or the few seconds of blue on the screen. (infact it added to the rawness of the performance in many ways it lifted the excitment and therefore the occasion).

a good debate although we are never going to agree.

sincerely looking forward to reading your review.

content content content content content....

simon xx

[Mach V]

simon green, on 21 Jan 2006, 18:24, said:

ok all done the jobs a good 'en the 'finished' pics

Cheers Si - top work mate. :)



arf! :)

[dylan df tram]

great pics from the event!

coldcut at eastnor 2004 was amazing , one of the highlights for me that year


and they always look like they are having a great time

[the count of 5]

dylan df tram, on 21 Jan 2006, 20:16, said:

and they always look like they are having a great time

indeed. and how lucky to be able to share the good times with friends lovers & family. don't forget what a privilege it is to have a few quid in yer pocket and the freedom of choice to attend gigs like this. in. my. hairy. arsehole. i don't think anyone worrys about technical glitches or copyright on the deathbed.

rock om.

[mavis]

who's the fella that isn't jim, mach v, or mondo (looking particularly scary!)?

[Rovastar]

mavis, on 21 Jan 2006, 22:12, said:

who's the fella that isn't jim, mach v, or mondo (looking particularly scary!)?

LOL

[mondo]

that'll be rova

T shirts of above picture available from London Dungeon upon request and £50

[Mach V]

forumtwat, on 22 Jan 2006, 22:21, said:

god. i can't imagine anything more boring than a gathering of VJ twats in the corner disecting a show. time to show your @!#$ing hand boy twats. all mouth, but no ones stepping up. from the pictures all at the front were having a great time.

*circles nipples*

you want me... don't you... ? ;)

[dave&kitty]

well whether they were good or not theyve hit the BIG TIME tonight - the holiday program are using the new album as a bed... god bless the pop monki's at the BBC... subversive in the extreme!